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Old 04-26-2006, 06:56 PM
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Ok, so I am only at 2434 hands, but I want to get some more feedback on my PT stats. to summarize where I was at 1500 hands


VPIP: 24.06%
PFR: 6.36%
aggr (w/o pf):
WSD: 37.79%
W$SD: 44.83%
BB/100 4.62


Now I am at:VPIP: 20.54
PFR: 6.12%
aggr (w/o pf): 1.67
WSD: 37.14%
W$SD: 50%
BB/100 6.34

I was told I needed to get my VPIP and WSD down, and get my W$SD up. I succeeded at 2 of 3, and overal BB/100 has gone up nicely.

I feel like I am very comfortable with this game and am ready to move up a level. I'd like your thoughts. I am presently playing .10/.20 and feel I can safely move to .25/.50. I have $205 on PS and $30 on Royal Vegas. I do not want to move up on Stars until I can also move up on Vegas because I need to clear the bonus on vegas to get my money and cannot do it until i play .25/.50. Knowing my mentality if I start at higher limit on PS I won't ever play the other site and never claim my money if I have to stay at .10/.20.

Assuming I am ready to play the higher limit is it ok to play underrolled on one site if I have the proper amount in total with my bankrolls combined?

Threw a lot out here, I'd like analysis on my numbers (still small sample) as well as advice on the next level move.

Thanks guys (and gals)
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Old 04-27-2006, 09:58 AM
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Your sample size is WAYYY too small.
Get to 10,000 hands and post results.. that should show some kind of pattern.
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Old 04-27-2006, 01:00 PM
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Go ahead and move up... you're crushing the game, and the next level isn't much harder.

you can always move money from PS to Vegas if you hit a real bad streak... but expect to go up from 30.
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Old 04-27-2006, 01:29 PM
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I do not want to move up on Stars until I can also move up on Vegas because I need to clear the bonus on vegas to get my money and cannot do it until i play .25/.50. Knowing my mentality if I start at higher limit on PS I won't ever play the other site and never claim my money if I have to stay at .10/.20.
What about the possibility of playing .25/.5 on Stars and see how you do there. You can then take some $ transfer it to Vegas so you have more of cushion and clear the bonus? You'll still be playing .25/.5 just on a different site.

As far as the stats....in the past anytime I posted anything less than 10K hands I was always told there isn't a big enough sample size to determine, and even that dosen't tell much. In fact I believe it was Marm who mentioned that for some people on here a sample size of a few 1-2K hands or so hands can be a few days worth of play....or something to that effect.

So far I don't think they look too bad though. Personally I like to be over rolled 500 BB for a limit before I move up. Which I stuck to before moving to .5/1 but I played a lot of hands (to me at the time) at .25/.5 and lower before I went to .5/1
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Never play to adjust your numbers. NEVER.

You need to look at each hand as an idividual event when you are playing, not as part of a larger group. After you have 5k-10k hands in, then you can look at the bigger picture and figure out what needs adjusting, then you look at HH's to figure out how you adjust this and incorporate it into your system of play. You DO NOT, during a hand, say "Hey, I need to fold this since X stat has been too high lately" NO NO NO.

I know you know this, but it sounds like you are doing it.
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Old 04-27-2006, 04:42 PM
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Never play to adjust your numbers. NEVER.

You need to look at each hand as an idividual event when you are playing, not as part of a larger group. After you have 5k-10k hands in, then you can look at the bigger picture and figure out what needs adjusting, then you look at HH's to figure out how you adjust this and incorporate it into your system of play. You DO NOT, during a hand, say "Hey, I need to fold this since X stat has been too high lately" NO NO NO.

I know you know this, but it sounds like you are doing it.
Marm, I am actually not focusing on the numbers, but rather the concepts that drive the numbers.

Example: previously i was taking the "big pot" thinking too far and overcalling simply because the pot was big. Now I am trusting my reads and folding a bit more in spots that I should have been folding all along.

I also have not changed my starting req's. VP$IP has just come down based on larger sample size IMHO.

I have about 460 BB's if you combine rolls, so I think I am rolled properly for .25/.50. I guess my question is based on my results to date would you move up?

Pok: I agree that I can move money around, but my thinking is that if I lose the $30 on Vegas, its no big deal because my roll on Stars still keeps me in the theoretical BB range to play this level. There is no reason for me to reload it if I lose it, which I doubt I will.
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I agree with what Marm said (obviously) and cograts on what appears to be an improvement in your game. With that said, I still think your PFR% is a little low, although as noted sample size is small (although the sample size to determine your "true" PFR% is less than that needed to determine your "true" BB/100). Now there is more than one way to play, and don't raise just for the sake of raising to adjust your numbers, but I just want you to keep it in mind for the future.
What is your stealing %? If this is low it may be what I am seeing reflected in what is (what I think anyway) a PFR% on the low side.

I would move up in limits by the way. I have trouble believing you will take that much of a hit at the next level. If this was all the money you had for poker period, it would be different, but I assume that on the 10% or so chance you go broke you can redeposit. I think barring a bizarre turn you'll be fine.
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Thanks growlers.

steal % is 23.08. I tend to be raising based on the pf req's laid out in ssh. I havent gotten too fancy here.

I am going to make the move. I definately have more money, but I am trying to treat this small roll as if it was all i have. Just a friendly little personal challenge to see how far I can take it.........

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Old 04-28-2006, 05:48 AM
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Marm,


Can we ban this guy? Every post he has made is spam.

Now back to the discussion at hand.
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