How should I respond to a table where limpers just dont fold to any reasonable raise. Ex- 7 limpers to me in the BB with a good hand (Tens - Aces and AJs-AK) I raise 8bbs and everyone calls... should I still be raising to force errors? Or should I just check and make a play based on the flop.

I guess the question is, when so many ppl goto the flop even Rockets cant be more than a 30% favorite to win so why burn a large portion of my stack raising when it wont narrow the field?

Either don't raise at all, or raise a lot more chips (IE: 20xBB). Everyone has a price point, you just have to find it.

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AJs doesn't need to be raised.

JJ+ sure does.
If you raise 8 bbs and everyone calls, that's good. The best situation is when you get all your chips in with the best hand preflop.
The second problem just shoes a lack of understanding of math. If you win 30% of the time vs 7 opponents, you're making a huge profit.

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You're right, I was more refering to deciding if I'm ahead after the flop.

Limit is different... AJs can be raised a lot more freely since the worst that can happen is that you have to pay 2 more small bets to see a flop, and your hand at a table of aggy/s still may be best.

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At that kind of table playing NL I like to just push. You'd be amazed at the trash people will call with and then be shocked when you show them your aces.

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With AA you should raise a size relative to your stack, which will remove implied odds and make you happy to pay someone off. E.g Aces are 78% favourite over any other hand Preflop, and so will be higher than that to not be behind after 3 cards (anybody know?)

Therefore raise around 1/3 of either your or the average stack, and push the flop regardless. Even if it comes down K Q J and someone has 2 pair or a straight, you still haven't given them odds and can pay them off.

Similarly with Kings and push as long as an ace doesn't flop.

If you raise with AK and get 3+ callers, push if an A or K flops, fold if it doesn't.

Queens and Jacks are hard as an overcard may fall but if you raise with QQ get 4 callers and the flop comes down AKx just don't put any more money in wthout a set. You are still winning long term, as if it comes down J or T high, some idiot with top pair will probably pay you off.

with AJs+
and JJ+
keep raising the way ur raising, over time u will get paid off.

with KK and AA, and even QQ in some situations, u need to raise it ALOT preflop.

Personally, I think it is dumb to raise from the BB unless you REALLY need to narrow the field. It is just giving more info. about your hand, and you don't find out anything from a bunch of loose morons calling your bet. So, I am a fan of seeing what flops sometimes. If you are going to raise from the BB, I would make it a good sized one to make people really make a descision, and I would only do it with premium hands (JJ+)...

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Online I play full ring Limit and I've been wondering the same thing, when I get on a loose table. This becomes especially true when you know something about the players at the table. For instance, I was at a table like this yesterday.....

Party .50/$1 Limit
2 rocks
1 T-AA
5calling stations/fish etc
1 maniac/LA-A

Folded to me in middle postion, I look down at AQo. Now for me, on a tighter table, I'd raise without a doubt here, however, I know that almost everyone behind me is going to call, not matter what I do. They don't notice or care that I had a V$IP of 18%. Sooo, if I miss my flop, I'm screwed. If 5-6 of them see the flop, 3-5 of them will see the river with any two cards. Any continuation bets by me will be called. If the maniac hits any part of the flop he's re-raising me, so a bet by me is almost silly unless the flop hit me good or I picked up a good draw.

To me this is where I start falling apart. When playing with a rock garden it's very hard to get paid for your big hands. But at least you know your bets are more often respected. With calling stations, fish, maniacs, I know that if the flop comes 2810 rainbow, someone probably hit something better than my AQo because these morons called with junk.

It is very frustrating when raises aren't respected, so to the OP, I know what you mean. It might be the wrong theory but I often wait until I have a really big hand and hope I can hit something. Marginal hands that I might raise on a tighter table such as K10, 910s, A10 etc, I will just call with because I can get away from them cheaply if I miss the flop. On a tighter table a continuation bet will often run others out of the pot and at least get you a free river card if you wanted.