Originally Posted by kavelot

I played poker, multitabling (5 to 10 tables) 4 hours a day in average, for about one year (mostly $3.25 9 or 45 people tournaments, in which I got around 20~25%)
I did it for fun, but I dedicated a good ammount of time to learning before playing

I stopped when I wasn't having fun anymore with tournaments, and moved to cash games, in which I don't consider myself good (but I have more fun)

after a while I decided to stop altogether, but I was on a cruise a few days ago and played a poker tournament... and won it (TBH, most of the players were VERY bad)
although that doesn't mean anything, I'm willing to give another try (Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in)

but now I'd like to do it "professionally"
I'm aiming at starting at least with $30/hour, but I don't wanna play more than 5 tables simultaneously or 3 tables heads-up (too stressing for me)

I want to dedicate more time (maybe around 100 hours) for studying it before coming back

I'd like to know which option you think it's better for accomplishing my goal:
1) cash games (which I have more fun)
if I get to play 50 hands/hour (9 people table) and get 3BB/100 hands, that's 1.5BB/hour, so I need to play $10/$20 stakes
and probably start with around $8000 bankroll
EDIT: in fact, $5/$10 is enough (3 tables * 1.5 BB * 10 = $45), so $4000 bankroll


2) heads-up
playing 3 tables a time, 15 minutes each on average, I can get 12 tables/hour
with a $100 buy-in and 2.5% ROI, I can get what I want
I guess in this case a $2000 bankroll would be very safe

3) finally, 9 people tournaments are another option... if I play 5 tables a time, 45min average each, that's 8 tables/hour
so buyin*roi = 30/8 -> with a $114 buy-in, I'd need 3.2% ROI (maybe 1.1% at $335 is easier)

45-people tournaments doesn't seem very reasonable... they take like 1 hour on average and it's hard to find more than $60 tournaments
that means I can play around $250/hour, which is not enough unless I can get a 12% ROI (even if I study more, I'm supposing I can get around 4~5% at those stakes)

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I'm not sure my estimatives are reasonable, but keep in mind I'm willing to dedicate many hours for studying and practising
I also have a $10k bankroll that I can afford to lose

thanks

I use the 9 player online play to prepare for live play. It helps a lot in that the odds are about the same for online and live when stacked against 9 or 10 players. The thing of it is that online play gets a lot of bad beats and suck out hands so you need to watch everything. I never go all in with AA, KK or any high pocket pair whereas I will in live play. Online seems to make some big time BS hands. Good Luck

do you have statistically significant data? (you can't base a claim like that on 10 hands you selectively remember)

you will not win 1.5bb/100 at 5/10

Originally Posted by piv

you will not win 1.5bb/100 at 5/10

any ideas on a more reasonable estimative?

for you? given your clearly limited knowledge probably in the -4 to -5bb/100 region at 5/10

Originally Posted by piv

for you? given your clearly limited knowledge probably in the -4 to -5bb/100 region at 5/10

no, I'm not starting to play today
as I said in my post, I'm willing to dedicate at least 100 hours to studying
and some more to practising

PokerStars Top Hold'em $5/$10 NL Winners of All Time - Online Poker Statistics

these are the biggest stars winners of all time who have played for years, and notice there are literally only a handful of people in the world who win over 2bb/100, and over realistically quite small samples, given it's widely accepted 100k hands at aggressive 6max games isn't even a significant sample these days.

nano is like the sickest guy in the world and he wins 3.7, leatherass has written books and wins 2.7.

there are people who win 6 figures a year who wouldn't dare sit with some of these players and don't have winrates even close to them.

an 8k bankroll is ludicrous, you'd want more like 10x that to play 5/10 every day.

sorry to burst your bubble but you will get absolutely eaten alive

thanks

well, I guess sit-and-go are still an option then
do you know where I can find this kind of data (that you posted for cash games) for sit-and-go?
ie, the ROI of the best $100~300 buy-in

sharkscope i guess, and they're pretty over farmed