Originally Posted by pokerwookie25

this is long so kick back...alright check it. IT IS SOFTWARE...someone "programmed" it. it runs in certain cycles and alot of times seems to relate to chip stacks/posistion/and time left in a tourney. seems x amount of people are always out by a certain stage in multi table games. also, 3 outers and 2 outers just dont happen that often. literally every time i sit at a table i get boned. i have my hand histories compiled in a spreadsheet and i get my money in good 87% of the time when i get knocked out, and its usually like aj suited vs q5 of same suit flops a 5. kk vs a5o, ak vs aq,q inevitably comes. hell i had aces heads up vs a9 all in pre flops a 9 rivers a 9 on the 1st hand! guy makes a terrible shove with a8 off into a board of kqa i have kq. i lead for the pot (950) i have 5k behind he shoves 6k i call (this is the bubble btw i was 2nd with 3 left) comes runner 44 to bust me...why? because like a retard most ppl (me 2 at times) immediatley register for another one! what im sayin is that it creates action scenarios based on human tendencies and multiple other variables. i did some programming in college, and its basically an "if then else" idicator. basically you tell the program "if" this happens "then" do this..."else" do this. so based on how you play, you can utilize it. sometimes i can call the boards and know based on how the hand was played if ill hit my draw or not. sounds like bs, but trust me, i dumped 5k online last year, yet managed to make 8k live, and i started taking hand histories and breaking down my play because i shouldnt have been losing. the worst are the heads up matches. you could play for hours against another person live and not have the scenarios and suck outs and coolers that the internet provides. i think that the "aggressive" play you described is prolly one of the triggers for the scenarios in my theory; the bad shove seems to win way too often. i dunno, take a look...there are alot of trends and patterns that arise when playing. my buddy and i multi table on four screens specifically to try and catalogue the patterns, but its tedious. as of now i still get railed eventually no matter how good i get my chips in, but maybe someday i can at least consistantly dodge certain hands that i refer to as "setups" its that or blow off online poker all together because all the sites are the same in essence. when we get enough data we are going to email it to the site we use to see what their response is. i dunno, what do ya think?

Informative post, thanks for sharing. I too have always felt that their is something rigged about online poker I mean the software is human created and the poker company is in it to make money. Preprogrammed software is a lot more suscpectable to getting scammed then watching a dealer shuffle cards manually infront of you.

When I play live I find myself wanting to multitask and doing other things while waiting for the hand to be over with. Also I get impatient because the games seem to go slow. See what online has done to us, speed speed speed. For the love of god shuffle already and deal !

I disagree I think the math is generally about the same, although it seems like draw-outs happen all the time-its because they do happen all the time. I actually see mathematics coming in handy more on the internet and heres why: If a smart mathematically gifted player has it programmed in their head to make certain plays in certain times where he knows he has the advantage then he should win the majority of the time in these scenarios, especially if this player is playing 4+ games at once.

I think internet poker is more about math and live poker is more about Psychology(reading your opponent)