last week in the course of 400 hands I lost (4) 70/30's in a row for stacks the fact that I lost them doesn't bother me because when the money went in I knew I didn't have the nutz but the hand was to strong not get the money in.

To me the varience is losing 4 in a row. Do I think the site I play on is rigged, ahh no. bad players put on more bad beats because and suck out more because they stay in the hand to long or make bad decisions and get it in really bad.

This conversation should be about bad players putting the beat down on you not the site. The site just deals the cards they have no control of who puts money in and how much.

Oh and I checked and over the last 10,000 hands I am running above expectation in allin pots.

It has nothing to do with poker bonuses. It has to do how your mind works. You simply remember badbeats more then those hands which you win. Obviously there will be a cases when you run bad, but most of the time people do not notice that they have a lot of other leaks and blame everything on luck with statements like: "I am the most unlucky guy" "poker is rigged" "I run below EV"
If you lose 30 buy ins at 6 max most of the time it will be attributed to your bad play.
If you want sent me your hands and I analyze them for free.

Originally Posted by buckshot

I've been playing on there for over a year and have done ok. Not good enough to stop working but good enough that I've been ahead. I never used any bonus codes when depositing until about a month and a half ago and ever since I have been getting SLAUGHTERED.

I have lost over $6,000 at 1/2 NL tables. I can barely win a hand and I am playing tight as shit. If I have KK they have AA. If I make a smart call they ALWAYS suck out, if I flop middle set they flop top set. It's the same few people who are creaming me. If I do have the nuts (after the river) they won't even call a small bet. If I bluff, they'll call with ace high.

I just made a king high flush and got hit by the same guy who made four sevens.

Everything was going fine until I registered for those stupid bonuses. Has anybody else started getting slaughtered after registering for bonuses?

Originally Posted by Sid_07

last week in the course of 400 hands I lost (4) 70/30's in a row for stacks the fact that I lost them doesn't bother me because when the money went in I knew I didn't have the nutz but the hand was to strong not get the money in.

To me the varience is losing 4 in a row. Do I think the site I play on is rigged, ahh no. bad players put on more bad beats because and suck out more because they stay in the hand to long or make bad decisions and get it in really bad.

This conversation should be about bad players putting the beat down on you not the site. The site just deals the cards they have no control of who puts money in and how much.

Oh and I checked and over the last 10,000 hands I am running above expectation in allin pots.

Good to hear. What software do you use for that and how much did it cost? I've never seen those types of programs in use. They'll follow pokerstars hands? They follow every hand dealt or just the ones you are in? Will they give you stats for every type of percentage? Sorry for all the questions.

And again, has anyone ever kept track of how many 95%ers, 93%ers they've seen win in a row? I'd seriously like to know people's experiences. I'd love to hear someone who had an experience where they saw 25 95%ers win in a row (above average I know, but after 1000's of games your going to see it with some degree of regularity). Whether I'm in the hand or not, whether I'm dominant or beng dominated in a hand - the two and three outers on the river (although they win a majority of the time) are winning too often.

I am not fully confident that poker sites don't manipulate the game possibly at times. I play on Full Tilt and I posted on this topic in the Online Discussions. I agree WhoCares, that the algorithm can be to blame for this and maybe not the intentional rigging of games.

I play real money on Full Tilt, and I play tight aggressive, and by that I mean I have a range I'll play depending on position, pot size etc... and I rarely stray from that strategy. I play for free on Zynga facebook poker, for fun, playing the same strategy. I have never really been able to stay ahead on FullTilt, but playing on Zynga started with 2000chips, two months I am up to 3.5mil. I think it has to do with the algorithm.

Now with all of this said, I think that people use live game odds, or real world dealing, and expect to see the same type of play online, and I just don't think that it happens. I rarely lose any money at home games, which I play in about twice a month, and I typically book money at everyone, playing the same style of poker.

This problem with online poker won't be able to be fixed until the US governement regulates it and makes sure that there is legitimacy.

Here's an idea. If the sites are truly rigging the games it could easily be determined by have an admitted / documented losing player (who thinks its rigged) meet with documented winning player (who does not think its rigged) at a neutral location and have the winning player play on the losing players account at the losing players stakes (if he wins he can transfer the winnings over to his account).
If he consistently gets clobbered, then there can be another discussion.