your on a bad streek tighten game up take a break for a while

I find pokerstars to be among the most reputable sites on the net.

I am in a similar situation as the original poster (but without the issue of the codes). In fact, I never deposit because the bankroll keeps growing (but just brutally slowly). It's been such a collosal waste of time for the return I am getting on the time I have invested in this game.

But as with the original poster, I have a question that I ask with totally honesty. Can people who play regularly on Pokerstars or UltimateBet really say that (just for one example) that 5%only hit 5% of the time? Of course there is variance - but this has to go both ways. While sometimes you may a streak of only 10/20 wins in a 95% chance (it HAS to happen over the course of thousands of games) there would also be times where you would see 30 95%ers win in a row. It HAS to hapen over enough games played. I would estimate I've played in about 5000 tournaments on both Pokerstars and Ultimatebet. The idea that I've seen 30 95%ers win a row is ludicrous. I cannot believe I've seen more than 10 win in a row whether I'm in the hand or not. Can anyone say they've seen 20, 25, 30 two outers NOT hit on the river in a row? I honestly ask that question.

There would so much motivation for these sites to tweak the odds so as to not discourage the enormous amount of bad players out there but still keep the odds in good players favour. There would be a huge motivation to still have the cards random but only have 95% chances win 70%-80% of the time. Bad players stay motivated to keep chasing and good players keep building their bankrolls. I don't know if anyone will take this seriously, but I don't see how the numbers are adding up. Anyways, I am curious to hear if anyone has documented what they see and if they have ever seen 95% chances hit that often or have the variance once in a while to see it have hit more. I suppose I really should document my own experience but it is hard to do when playing multiple tables. I think I just may start that and get back with what i find...

Originally Posted by RakeGuard.Com

Isn't there a place where we can keep all threads like this?

Somewhere like the trash?

It's called poker...there is variance. AA vs KK, AA only wins 80% of the time...and the 20% of the time when you lose with AA, you'll REMEMBER THAT more so than you remember when the normal things happen. It's called selective memory, and we all have it to some degree.

Pokerstars is not rigging your games.

Not to weigh in either way on the subject but isn't your opinion kinda invalidated by what you promote? Kinda like a pharmacutical company weighing in on the danger of one of their own drugs?

Originally Posted by RakeGuard.Com

Isn't there a place where we can keep all threads like this?

Somewhere like the trash?

It's called poker...there is variance. AA vs KK, AA only wins 80% of the time...and the 20% of the time when you lose with AA, you'll REMEMBER THAT more so than you remember when the normal things happen. It's called selective memory, and we all have it to some degree.

Pokerstars is not rigging your games.

I agree with you and I think poker stars is one of the top most online poker rooms.

No matter how long you've played and how good variance has been to you, everyone's going to get pissed off when Villian hit's their 2-outer. Venting in the form of defamation to the site is just not a good way to handle it.

Originally Posted by RakeGuard.Com

A valid point, yet I've been saying the same thing way before I took the helm of RakeGuard. Plus, wouldn't a baker know more about how to make the best loaf of bread than the average passerby? On top of that, we don't offer PokerStars on our site as they don't have rakeback. Regardless, I know that PokerStars is as legit as they come even though I have not partnered with them.

It's also the same point shared by every long term member here. Typically the ones that come on here saying that poker is rigged give poor statistical data and haven't spent much time researching the game or understanding statistical variance. They just come on here to vent about some bad beats or poor plays.

Not questioning your expertise or your opinion (pre rakegaurd). But if you run this business, it is good business sense to become apolitical on this type of subject (same reason US generals do not vote in elections). As a business person i'm certain you can fill in the blanks as to why.

Originally Posted by RakeGuard.Com

Isn't there a place where we can keep all threads like this?

Somewhere like the trash?

It's called poker...there is variance. AA vs KK, AA only wins 80% of the time...and the 20% of the time when you lose with AA, you'll REMEMBER THAT more so than you remember when the normal things happen. It's called selective memory, and we all have it to some degree.

Pokerstars is not rigging your games.

I don't think that's what was brought up at all. The suckouts are consistant, whether I'm in the hand or not. And you have a vested interest in saying that the sites are dealing random cards and change the topic on top of that. Just wow. My question was has anyone seen 15, 20, 25, 30 95%ers win in a row? Variance would mean that occassionally you would see 25 win a row. I can't imagine I've ever seen 20 win in a row after thousands of games played. It's a serious concern... I put a lot of time into this, make money, and honestly would seriously consider making a go of this full time if there was any chance of seeing 95%ers hit 19/20 times on average. I'm not sure I've seen it ever - forget on average. So, again my question is sincere. Has anyone ever seen those kind of numbers?