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Betty the dancing girl walks into the room directly beneath the light and says to you; "Player, you stand to win a million dollars, but first you must make a choice." "I have in my bejeweled bag ten cards, one of which is the ace of spades." "If I draw the ace of spades for you, then you will win." If I don't draw the ace of spades, then you will loose." "You must choose if I should burn one card before your draw or leave all the cards in the bag." "Make your choice."
Let's see. If I remove a card, then it might be the ace and that would not help me, because Betty couldn't draw it, or I could skip the burn and keep all the cards in the bag. So you say, "Betty, skip the burn and draw me an ace Baby!"
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Thread: Burning Cards On Line
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11-30-2007 #21Fish Food
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11-30-2007 #22Check Raiser
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either way, its still a one in ten shot.
1st scenario- she picks the first card, you win/lose. odds= 1 in 10
2nd scenario- she picks two cards and you must use the second card. you win/lose. odds 1 in 10f*cking it up for everyone else since 1969.
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11-30-2007 #23Fish Food
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Not so,
1st scenario - she picks the first card, you win/lose. odds = 1 in 10
2nd scenario - she burns a card (-10%,) and draws a card, you win/lose. odds = (1 in 10)-.1 = .9
Ten percent of the time the winning card will be absent from the bag, it cannot be drawn, and so the 1 in 10 win ratio is reduced by .10, ten percent. Out of 100 draws 10 wins will turn into nine, simply because one of those draws that should have been a win was a loss, because the card was absent.
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11-30-2007 #24Check Raiser
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what the bet is "can she pick one card, ace of spades, out of ten cards." so right there you have your odds.
1 out of 10.
now if she discards/burns one card the odds change to pick the ace, depending if it was burned or not. if it wasn't burned then you have a 1 in 9 chance of her picking it. if it was burned then you have a 0 in 9 chance of picking it.
the original bet hasn't changed nor the odds of the original bet. still at 1 in 10 even though you took one card away.
this isn't like getting 10% more off of a 10% sale to only save 19% off of the full price, thinking you got 20% off.f*cking it up for everyone else since 1969.
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12-01-2007 #25Fish Food
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So if you had just one chance to win a million dollars, you wouldn't care if they burned a card that could be the winner? As opposed to leaving all the cards in the bag and knowing that the winner had to be in the bag?
What if she burned a card and drew the nine of clubs for you? Would you ask to see the face down card on the table? If you did and she showed you the ace of spades, what would you think then? I should have left it in the deck.
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12-01-2007 #26Staff News Poster
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Well you could say that to any situation. If you were drawn dead to one card and it was at the bottom of the deck then you'd wish the dealer had shuffled differently.
This entire thread is fucking stupid.
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12-01-2007 #27Check Raiser
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either way its a 1 in ten shot so, no i wouldn't care
Originally Posted by Hunter
well, no, i wouldn't really care except to make sure there was an Ace of spades in the ten cards we were playing with. Originally Posted by Hunter
i would think its a moot point. Originally Posted by Hunter
i only get one chance for her to pick the right card (1in 10) and she didn't. regardless of the fact she burnt one, two, three or nine of the cards, she still didn't pick the one ace out of ten cards when i needed it.f*cking it up for everyone else since 1969.
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12-01-2007 #28Fish Food
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I lay claim to ignorance MJ, not fucking stupidity. Last night I got this response; Originally Posted by MJPerry
When the burned card is the A
, your chance drops to 0 and when the burned card is not, your chance rises to 1/9. So, (9/10 * 1/9) + (1/10 * 0) = 1/10.) These possibilities exactly cancel.
Scenario 1: 1/10
Scenario 2. (1/10 * 0) + (1/9 * 9/10) = 1/10
A small ornamental light just flickered on above my head. Still, being the traditionalist that I am, shedding the notion that the omission of burns does not, in some way, affect game play will be difficult to do. Ah well, my cross to bear.
I appreciate your indulgence. Let others read this and learn.
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12-01-2007 #29Staff News Poster
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In poker it doesn't matter whether a card is burned or not because in odds calculations you count the deck, the burn cards and even the cards your opponents hold as unseen cards.
This entire thread is still fucking stupid.
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12-01-2007 #30Fish
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A skilled magician or dealer can manipulate a deck just as easily as using burn cards as without using burn cards. If you are assuming that using burn cards prevents cheating in real life, your wrong. It might make it harder for average joe poker in local cash games, but not skilled dealers taking the time to learn and perfect deck manipulation.
Online....burn cards are irrelevant.
If there is code in a sofware program to allow certain people to cheat, it's just as easy to code the software to include burn cards and cheat.
Here would be ta basic algorythm.
Let cheat cards = A,B,C,T,R.
Let burn card = random card not equal to card A, B, C, T, R or cards dealt to players.Last edited by smack77; 12-01-2007 at 01:54 PM.
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