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    It's CO or button I think.

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    I disagree with deme a bit here. I think the pfr needs to be a good bit higher, up to 13 probably. I see what you're saying about nl10 but you will leave a ton of money on the table limping with pairs and SC's at 25nl. They will call with a huge range but that just means you profit when they throw it away to a flop cbet. I will almost never limp at nl25 for any reason.

    Att to steal should be at least 25 imo, especially given how bad the opposition will be.

    You need to be more positionally aware as well I think. Take you're UTG vpip and then multiply it by 2 or 3, that's what your button vpip should be. I'm bad for this, but you need to have a significantly looser range in late position, 13 --> 17 is too tight on the button. Stick in SC's, suited gappers and all that.

    I think you could also do with ramping up the aggression a bit more, especially on the turn. Maybe you give up too much to people floating cbets. As you move through nl25 into nl50 you will get picked off at will by the grinders if you do this.
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    I disagree with deme a bit here. I think the pfr needs to be a good bit higher, up to 13 probably. I see what you're saying about nl10 but you will leave a ton of money on the table limping with pairs and SC's at 25nl.
    Right, at NL25. At NL10 I HONESTLY think that having that much aggression preflop only gets you into too many sticky situations since it is still essentially no foldem holdem.

    They will call with a huge range but that just means you profit when they throw it away to a flop cbet. I will almost never limp at nl25 for any reason.
    The few times I have played NL25 I have seen this to be true. I noticed they seem to float a lot more however.

    Att to steal should be at least 25 imo, especially given how bad the opposition will be.
    Okay, I will work on improving this.

    You need to be more positionally aware as well I think. Take you're UTG vpip and then multiply it by 2 or 3, that's what your button vpip should be. I'm bad for this, but you need to have a significantly looser range in late position, 13 --> 17 is too tight on the button. Stick in SC's, suited gappers and all that.
    Again, I think this is something I will improve at NL25 but at NL10 is not entirely smart. The no foldem holdem mentality that is prevalent at NL10 means I get in sticky situations too often to raise some marginal hands.

    I think you could also do with ramping up the aggression a bit more, especially on the turn. Maybe you give up too much to people floating cbets. As you move through nl25 into nl50 you will get picked off at will by the grinders if you do this.
    As I am sure you are aware aggression is a huge problem for me. I DO shut down when my flop Cbets are called often times. I really really need to work on this a lot. I have only recently started adding 3betting to my preflop strategies and I believe that will help a bit. My question is how the hell do you know when you are being floated? I see money disappear so fast when people call my Cbet on flop and turn and then I check river and they either check behind with second pair or bet and I fold.
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    I think on the button you culd use to raise a little more, You are raising the same amount from Button to UTG..you should be raising 10% + hands...try raisings more SCs small PPs dont be such a nit get in there and and not be able to be read. Ill comment some more in a little.


    of course I am a donkey and dont read the super posts david makes so I repeat X_X..gg.
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    iif u raise my raise one more ****ing time i will come over there and slit ur throat

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    at 10NL you tend to get too many early callers so you pfr drops. There is little point in trying to steal with two early limper's and two left to play. By all means raise for implied odds to get ppl pot committed. Steals do exist but you're almost better off just letting the odds take the blinds and wait for the turn.

    At this level ppl are bluffing heavily (very badly) and value gets paid off. Occasionally you get to take the blinds and cb's work - but essentially at this level NO-ONE believes you have a hand...

    4BB at this level means to your opponents that you have AK so they will call with anything and if they will hold on. They can't put down. It's very lucrative but it is just cards and a little position.

    What K stats show is value play....ABC poker... it ain't rocket science you just hit and run.

    Aggression is drummed into all players now.. CB's are the norm ..ppl are still touchey around the turn.

    IMO anyway...
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    you don't need to change anything, you're winning

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    Quote Originally Posted by RakebackForever.com View Post
    you don't need to change anything, you're winning
    Haha, I wish this were true but my game obviously needs alot of work. I believe I can increase my winrate if I tie up some leakes in my game.
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    just play tight. at those low limit games those idiots will kill themselves. when you get to higher limits like 2-4 NL then you'll need to make plays.

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    KRE8OR you honestly give nl 25 wayyyyy too much credit. lol
    AsuitedKing: justify the call
    EhRa: he hits his set und waited that i hitz something and he dindt play he only goes allin
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    I think limping behind limpers on the button is a mistake. Firstly, mid position limpers are generally bad players, with a very wide range. You are respecting them too much to limp behind. Your 76s probably has a better chance at the flop than they do. Raising will get money in the pot, and when your monster hits, you may well get paid off big. Also because you've raised their limps they are expecting AK/AQ/KQ, maybe even high pockets, so you may as well add A/K/Q to your outs and cbet if they check the Kxx flop. And if they play back, you know it's serious, so you can get away relatively cheaply.

    I'm just starting to think 10% raise gives away your hand too much. By adding a few of these raises, especially on the button, people won't suspect a monster every time, and will almost certainly start to make mistakes against you.

    But as stated, I'm sure you'll crush NL25. Probably a majority of those aren't paying enough attention to what you're raising or how often you're raising anyway, so playing tight and raising tight will most likely be profitable.

    GL, about time

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