I LOVE the idiots that vote for the names they recognize the most=\ How hard is it to realize, you read each parties platform, decide which one you agree with, and vote that way. The US uses a party system, voting different ways just causes trouble!

On a side note michigan proposal 2 which defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman recently passed; Debate

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Hey bonch, I agree. Vote on the issues, not the person. Also, the ban on gay marriage passed in all 11 states that there was an amendment in. Oh, and Bush is giving his victory speech.

I don't think a ban on gay marriges is a good thing. I'm not gay, I am soon to be engaged, and I think the more people that can experience marraige the better. Why does it matter if its 2 men or 2 women? I think its blatant descrimination. In a couple generations there will be an amendment to the US Constitution granting any two citzens of the US the freedom to marry each other. People forget that less than 100 years ago it was illiegal for a black person to marry a white person in many states. It sounds silly now, just like this debate will sound silly to our great granchildren. I'm kind of proud to be living in the one state that its totally legal for two people to mary. Most of the other things about living here suck

The thing I favor is the system where a gay partnership receives almost all the same benefits as a married couple (tax breaks etc). I think that they should eventually win the right to be termed a "marriage" but for now, it's not exactly a battle worth fighting and if they keep trying to push it, it will just end up being worse for their image. It's fine that they decided a marriage was defined as between a man and a woman, but it is not right to take away their benefits/rights just for being gay.

Actually, I intentionally voted for a state auditor that was from the opposite party as the one I was trying to vote into the state government.

I figure the best way to be sure my state is spending its funds wisely is to ensure the person watching over those expenditures is from the OPPOSITE party as the people spending the cash.

As for gay marriage...as long as science continues to provide anecdotal data showing the sexuality is, to some degree, tied to genetics, then I'll be casting my ballot in opposition to any initiative or amendment attempting to place limits on what is or is not identified by government as a "marriage."

In all honesty though, there's a simple solution around it all -- have the government stop selling licenses for it in the first place! (after all, what good is getting the license when you're not allowed to dress up in orange and try shooting yer wife anyway?) The whole "marriage debate" derives from the dissonance between a church/religious definition/view of marriage and a governmental one, which must align itself with anti-discrimination laws, equal protection clauses, et al.

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I think the whole gay marraige debate is stupid.

Fuck the constitutional amendment, fuck states' rights, and fuck other people trying to force their religious beliefs on others.

Whatever happened to PEOPLE'S rights?

Bravo on your eloquence. It is pretty sad that the vote against gay marriage decided the election. Also, exit polls showed terrorism was a major factor in voting. Yet the state with the most at stake NY, voted for Kerry.

"fuck x fuck y fuck z" doesnt get your point across at all.

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My opinions on gay marriage, and gay people in general are extremely strong. I won't dicuss them here, if there is another topic, or if this turns into it I might.

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aww come on bonch, you can't tease like that. Spill it!