london terrorist attacks - Page 2

Beavis68 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

What terrorists don't seem to understand is that attacks like this, indiscriminate attacks on foreign soil, brings people together. These same attacks go on daily in Iraq but people say "we shouldn't be there" therefor the attacks are succesful at hurting morale. Attacks like these in London will only further the resolve of the British to destroy the terrorists.

Let sleeping dogs lay. the terrorists don't seem to understand this at all. You don't attack people in their home that is when they are willing to die to defend themselves. If this same attack was carried out in say Iraq or Egypt people would say "well they knew the risk of going there" but by doing it in London you have made them feel unsafe at home and know they must do what they can to get that feeling of safety back.

As a final thought on this anyone who kills strangers is a COWARD in the truest sense of the word.

It worked for them in Spain. Let's hope the Brit's don't cave, I doubt they will, i was surprised the Spanish did.

This attack really pisses me off, I have some coworkers over there.

Beavis68 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 11:45 AM

Trons,

I don't think your comments are that accurate, we used guerilla tactics, but against soldiers not civilians.

Dig,

I know what you are saying, they tried saying that the Oklahoma City bombing was Muslims, but that never seemed right and proved false.

However, I would give pretty good odds that this was Islamic terrorists.

xxdemexx · #13 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 12:18 PM

I was down in London last week. I use those underground stations alot.

It's tragic. Al Quaeda seem to be taking responsibility.

In truth, we've been expecting it. The death toll is less than 50.

Ten years ago I heard the bomb go off in Manchester- I work there. At least the IRA had the courtesy to give notice that a bomb was planted so no lives were lost.

This lot are amatuers. It looks like they planted six bombs, killed very few pepole - amongst the dead appears to be one of thier own who died "heroically" when the bomb he was carrying went off...

The AQ website acknowledges a revenge attack for us "pro-zionists" (er- hang on... weren't the Israeli torrorists groups bombing us in the the late 1940's.???).

Thankfully Blair and Muslim leaders in the UK have been the first to denounce this extremist activty. I hope theres no backlash on Muslim communities.

The British will take this purile and feeble attempt at "terrorism" in thier stride... we always have and will always do....

Irexes · #14 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 02:57 PM

I'm 30 minutes away from it and had members of my family in London today.

500+ people where I work and everyone had someone they were worried about.

No crusade. Quiet determination as Deme said is how this will be met.

Av8tor009 · #15 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 03:03 PM

time for england to go medieval on some third-world country, and call it "shock and awe"

Steve-O · #16 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 03:10 PM

Do you brits think this attack will have an effect on other European countries rallying to the US/UK flag?

It must have been hard for mainland Europe to understand the 9/11 attacks due to the distance but will the second backyard attack, Spain being the other, cause them to start rethinking their just let it be attitude?

Steve who doesn't mean to be war mongering even though it appears that way. Just trying to get some British opinions.

Irexes · #17 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 03:18 PM

We have a long tradition of being bombed here Steve-O, the shock of 911 was largely due to the fact that it was pretty much unprecendented, growing up in and around London (and elsewhere as Deme says) terrorism was a fact of life. It's things like this that show how culturally different the US and UK are.

I think there is an acute awareness here that the intention of terrorism is to provoke a response and we will not be keen to do what they want. Certainly I don't think there will be a clamouring for aggression or looking to strike out at a target overseas, it's just not the way we do things.

Carry on as normal or you are giving them what they want will be the reaction. Even this evening things are returning. The tone of the media is that this was inevitable and is the price for democracy, and that it is worth paying. The British stiff upper lip if you like.

It will promote solidarity among Europeans but it won't lead them into taking up arms I don't think.

Trons · #18 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Beavis68

Trons,

I don't think your comments are that accurate, we used guerilla tactics, but against soldiers not civilians.

That is exactly what I was saying. The terrorists learned the wrong lesson from our war for freedom over 200 years ago. While the tactics are still sound, there are so many differences that they can't see them.

USA wasn't the first to use those type of stratagies and tactics against an opposing army, but this is the example that most people use. The differences between America's stance back then and any terrorist group now is staggering, but (IMHO) they don't see that, and that's why they get into more trouble then they can handle.

Trons

Marm · #19 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-O

As a final thought on this anyone who kills strangers is a COWARD in the truest sense of the word.

I think you need to rephrase to to Non-combatants. Two soldiers on opposet sides are strangers, but are both still heros in some sense. Taking out Innocents is the cowardly act.

Diggler · #20 (**permalink**) 07-07-2005, 05:17 PM

Ahhhh I wasn't aware that Al Queda was taking responsibility for this...my mistake, from what I heard, and when I posted I wasn't aware, only what the US thought.

From what I understand there are many Muslims in England, and France...considering there are over 1.5 Billion muslims in the world, I guess it's pretty easy to assume that they contribute hugely to the economy there. Bob, are you saying that the Muslims and Blair have already released statements in joining arms within Britain to fight Al Queda? That would be cool if they did, it woudl definately show that not all muslims are extremists...

Well, not much else to say except it's a sad day, and hopefully none of deme's or rexes family were hurt or affected in any way

Anyone find that live update link yet?