Maybe from somebody who was filling out a wellfare application??? Would that do??? Maybe somebody who grew up on wellfare?

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Sure it sounds great to help people in America first, but the reality is, that you can feed at least 10x more people in Africa for the same amoutn of money.

I grew up in "the ghetto" and my mom was a social worker for the state. Her clients were people currently on welfare. I now live in a suburban area with a section 8 complex less than a mile from my house. This is probably the nicest section 8 in the county so I went to highschool with kids of people who knew how to work the system well.

Now that I have my resume out of the way can I state my opinion? I think welfare helps more than it hurts. Some people see it as a way of living. Who are poker players to critisize people evaluating their best value and taking advantage of it? The loop wholes in the system don't have people making $100,000 a year from welfare. At best, they live in a shitty house or an over crowded apartment. People who are supposidly taking advantage of the system don't see it that way. They are merely getting by.

If somebody can offer up a decent arguement I would love to combat it, but too often people that throw out the "lazy" or "they are taking advantage" excuse are ignorant of what they have been given or are not appriciative of their surroundings.

Hey, if someone here is on welfare, OK, but most of the American population on welfare are in towns completely packed with people on welfare, trailer parks, etc. Welfare is also a pretty broad term.

It's easy to say that welfare's for lazy people and it's easy to say that America is obligated to give welfare to the people. Coming up with solutions are the difficult parts of the discussion. To say that the welfare system is fine as it is is ridiculous whether you agree with it or not. If you are anti-welfare or believe in welfare as a short term crutch such as unemployment insurance, there has to be a process that narrows the time window. Drastic changes with an issue like this either overinflate taxes or increase the already overinflated population of the homeless politic of America. What do you do with these people, keeping things ethical?

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if someone here on a POKER FORUM is on welfare, there is a 90% chance that it is their own damn fault

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I thought about that after I posted, actually. But, you never know if there's a "rags to riches" story here of someone who grew up on welfare and now makes a comfortable or just very livable living in the present time. Another question with the poll answer is what constitutes "needing help?"

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i sorta meant those (if any) on a poker forum currently on welfare.... first off, sell the computer and lose the internet access, thats ur welfare...

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av8r made a point about countries hating us more now, when we supposabley(sp) "help" other countries compared to when no one hated us back when we were in "isolation mode"
WHY
this is b/c we DO NOT help counties equally at all AND THIS IS THE REASON COUNTRIES HATE US and why shouldnt they???? How can we help country X by giving them food/shelter/education/etc etc for such countries as isreal and africa but not give anything to countries that needed just as much if not more such as afghanistan, pakistan etc etc...

Im starting to realize why they do hate us, we are helping a ton of countries a lot and not helping some other countries that need the same help, if not more, than the other countries.

As for welfare, the point is perfect, help those who are in temporary need get themselves back on their feet. UNFORTUANATLEY this is def. not what it is doing. It is giving (alot) people an excuse not to work when they are perfectabley capable of doing so. I just dont think that giving someone money is going to help them succedd (llolol at my spelling) in life. I know plenty of hard working people such as teachers, construction workers, etc.. who have to buy macorini and cheese everynight to feed their family while people on welfare are buying steaks, cigarettes and booze.

In a perfect world welfare would be perfect. Unfortuantley people abuse the system and use the money toward what got them in the situation they are in instead of trying to dig themselves out of a hole they got themselves in or in some cases were born into.

I believe that the money spent on welfare would be better used on education and housing/food to those who are in need. Hell give someone a place to stay and food to eat instead of giving them cash and just giving them every opputunity to abuse it and find themselves in the same position they were in before





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So, you take away their welfare when it expires and they're homeless and robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Welfare doesn't give you the oppurtunity to live comfortable lives. These teachers and construction workers are making more money than people on welfare otherwise they'd get welfare. Your macaroni/cheese:steaks/cigarettes/booze analogy is really a myth on a grand scale. Trailer trash isn't eating steaks every night and the stress from leading a miserable life leads to heavy drinking for middle-aged people where the alcohol is available all over the world for centuries.

People on welfare for long periods of time aren't very intelligent or the doors of oppurtunity would be opened a lot wider for them to be off of welfare. When you can't speak proper English (white or black) and you can't handle a bigger city where there is a job market 24/7, you're not gonna do much. Mexicans are the common example of people who are illegal (and not eligible for welfare) take care of their families by working many hours/wk. Yes, that's true, but most of them move to large cities with more oppurtunity. May have sold land back home to be able to start off with a security deposit and a month or two of rent.

Again, I ask, what do you with these people when their welfare expires? We already have a huge amount of orphans and homeless people in this country. Putting an expiration date on welfare doesn't aid a fight against poverty and clearly the existing welfare system doesn't either.

I would much rather have public housing and trailer parks in Chicago segregated from the rest of the city than a bigger homeless population roaming the streets in my area begging for change as I walk to the beach, or to the grocery store, or to a Cubs game.

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..... there's always communism..... just a thought...

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LOL. No. That's basically what I hear when people make black and white statements on this issue- running their mouth on all of the problems, yet have no suggestions to solve the problems.

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