Picture event 1 (what actually happened) -

Man with a gun (or 2 in this case) bursts into a room of unarmed, defenseless people. He is bassically a human amoung ants. He can kill whoever he wants, uncontested. Its bassically a bloodbath. There is nothing anyone can do untill police arrive there, and even the best responce team in the country could not get there before he has the chance to kill every person in that room.

Now, Picture event 2 (what should have happened) -

Man with a gun (or 2 in VA case) bursts into a room. Within seconds of entering, the professor has his weapon out, armed and trained to use it if deemed needed. Gunman opens fire, professor responds. Sure, the professor will be the first target knowing he has a gun. Lets say, which is the more likely situation if it were to actually happen, then professor is shot before he can even defend himself. Now you have the 4 or so professors from the surrounding classes headed toward the room and the gunman within SECONDS of the first shot. You have the teachers from the other floors who heard the shots on there way down within SECONDS. Now you have bassically a police responce team mobilized and taking action within SECONDS of the event. Within no time at all the gunman is dead. The gunman does not have time to pick and choose who dies. The gunman is not playing god with a building full of helpless people.

First situation you are LUCKY that you are only experiencing 32 deaths, in the second situation it is highy, highly unlikely the news will be reporting the worst shooting rampage in history that night.

I simple just do not and cannot find a downside to this situation to outweigh the clear benefit.

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How can there not be a correleation. Ok the guys completely insane and has a warped view on the world. However if he knows how to operate a gun and can get it easily, he'll be a heck of a lot more likely to do something like this than if he had to buy a gun illegaly and operate it without ever having used it before.

For starters where is that guy going to get a gun from if he cant buy it at a shop. If this guy is a "loner", who will he know who can get him a gun?

The point is that if an insane person has easy access to a gun they are more likely to go on a rampage than if it took time , money and effort.

You guys all play percentages in poker, in the long run more massacres will happen in US schools, universities.


However to be honest sometimes I really want a gun. They look so cool.

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Where is he going to get the gun illegally? I can walk down my hallway and borrow my friend's .45 if I wanted to right now. I'm not 21 and can't walk into a shop to buy one.

I've never shot a handgun but where can I learn? This thing I'm using right now: the internet. So if the gun control issue is big, the internet is the bigger issue. So now we should get rid of guns and censor everything. Yup, that will be wonderful for America.

Gun control is not the issue because if you don't believe you could get a gun by just asking around, you're delusional. So is the fact that guns are TOO available in this country? YES. But do the laws REALLY have any impact on ANYTHING gun related? Not at all.

To be honest with you, if these guns weren't registered to him (I don't know if they were), it would've actually been easier for him to get one by going on the black market, ask around, etc.

Eliminating guns makes the situation worse. So who will be the ones who get to carry them? Police? Serviceman? The wonderful criminals who buy them and get them?

Yeah, that's the answer. Allow someone to break into my home with a gun, and make me watch them rape my wife. Or execute my children. And not give me any chance to defend them, yes, that's a much better solution.

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haha, ok, right.

what about the crazy professor who kills the students with his gun that the school gave him? that is kind of a ridiculous solution.

For those of you that still think because psycho's twist the law and use it for themselves, that eliminating firearms completely, will reverse that and make it better.

http://www.escape-co.com/weapons_books.htm

Ways to make homemade weapons. Yes, eliminating guns will REALLY eliminate people doing what they want when it comes to violence. I found that site with a 5 second search on google. It says it's for academic purposes but someone WILL turn around for themselves to inflict intended violence on someone.

That's all the whack jobs do to the gun law, yes. But completely removing protection from the law-abiding citizens across the country is outrageous.

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That some of you are still trying to blame the guns is almost disturbing to me. The guy that did this shooting was a sincerely sick individual. Who was looking out for him? Where were his parents? People dont get away with this kind of stuff without sending off some warning signs first. The problem isnt the guns its the people, and by people I mean all of us.

More people die from alcohol related deaths than gun related deaths every year. Should we get rid of alcohol?

More people die from tobacco than guns. Should we get rid of tobacco?


This may disturb some of you guys but I have to make a comment. I find the concept of letting someone who breaks into my home just take whatever they want and be gone with it absurd. For starters how do you know they are there only to steal from you? What if they are a rapist? What if they are a child molester? Truth be told I would love to know that anyone breaking into my home at night is only there for my valuables. I would never die for my television or computer or whatever. Unfortunately I cannot know why they are there. That is why in my opinion it is better for me to have the right to shoot first and ask questions later. I feel sorry for the person that comes into my house uninvited. I would, without hesitation, kill anyone that harms or in any manner of action (and for me breaking into my house is just this type of action) threatens me or my family. A gun is the tool I would use first. If I couldnt get my gun then a knife or my bare hands. Anyone that doesnt believe that we as humans (not just Americans) have a RIGHT to protect ourselves and that which we value needs to seriously do some soul searching. Its a sick world and the fact is guns cant go until people change. I know that some of you will see this as a cyclic problem (people cant change until guns go etc.) but if you TRULY think that guns are the problem then you are not paying attention. Senseless violence happens in every corner of the world no matter how miniscule a country or community. There are native tribes in South America that have a disturbingly high mortality rate. Most of them have never seen or used a gun in their entire life. We have to make sure that when we approach these problems with the world we live in we do not focus on the wrong causes. The true root of this stuff is quite simply the depravity of humans.




Some interesting factoids:

Number of physicians in the US = 700,000

Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000

Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 (Source: U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000

Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500

Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 (Source: U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

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Comparing home burglary rates in Great Britain, Canada and the United States shows the obvious: criminals don't relish dealing with potentially armed victims. The higher the rate of legal gun ownership by homeowners, the lower the percentage of household burglaries taking place with the victims at home. (See chart.)

Rate of legal Percentage of household
gun ownership burglaries occurring
Country by homeowners while owner is at home
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Great Britain low 59 percent
Canada middle 44 percent
United States high 13 percent

A U.S. survey of more than 1,600 convicted criminals by sociology professors James D. Wright and Peter H. Rossi confirms these conclusions through the criminals' own words. The statement "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot," drew agreement from 74 percent of the convicts. The statement, "A smart criminal always tries to find out if his potential victim is armed," drew agreement from 81 percent. Thirty-four percent of the criminals admitted that they had at some time in their criminal career been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim" and 39 percent admitted that they had on at least one occasion "decided not to do a crime because [they] knew or believed that
the victim was carrying a gun."

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ty kre8r. well said.

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People can use statistics to prove anything.

95% of all people know that.

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Yeah but 60% of the time it works every time...

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