hasnt really surprised me tbh nor have the few Europeans who have posted who are against the lax gun laws.......thats the great thing about living in countries where we are not in constant fear for our own safety, largely due to our own governments propaganda.

theres no need for me to repeat the anti-relaxed gun law opinion but it really does amaze me that there are so many people who can show such sadness at the recent events but yet be so adamant that there is nothing wrong with the current gun laws which largely contributed to this tragedy and plenty more before it.

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i never said i was for gun laws, i think there should be bullet control...

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worthless arguing about it because it will never change. at least not for awhile. If you took guns away from these people you know what they would do? they would probably make pipe bombs instead. No gun laws wont change stupid behavior. If someone wants to kill a lot of people there are tons of different ways to go about doing it.

And as for America having the highest gun rate crime in the world. I doubt it... If your not counting third world countries.. and part of the fact is that were the third largest country in terms of population... of course some things are going to be higher than others compared to england because we have 5x the population and land mass. The only reason i think the UK was able to pull off a no gun law was because there isn't to many people and the UK isn't that big.

the news i see coming from the UK runs along the lines of crime up and knife crimes up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

i hope that i'm fast enough to realise that someone is in my house, with unknown intentions, and that i am able to get my shotgun from the closet to difuse the situation and have the upper hand. i do have dogs and they are the best alarm system for the money. plus with dogs, many intruders will simply move on to the next house. but if needed, i do keep a gun on premmisis, for the just in case.

so true. nobody wishes to have an intruder in their house, i just wish that i have the means to protect myself and my family if it ever happens.

get a knife, keep a ball bat or club in the bedroom. don't be a victim.

what if they want to fuck your wife, and then when they are done with her, they want your little girl? is the insurance company going to take care of that? will your children look to you the same way again? as the protector of the family?

what if the intruder is just deranged and is looking for a thrill and a kill? i know the odds are very low for something like this to happen, but it does. and what are you to do? just let them have what they want.

i guess when they get what they want they know where to go when they need a quick pound or two. "lets go to davey's house, he'll give us what we want". if you are an easy mark, they will be back.

me either, but there just might be one if there is an intruder in my house.


we have a difference of opinions and will never come to an agreement. i think guns are an evil, but until every single gun is removed from the face of the earth, i will continue owning a gun.

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f*cking it up for everyone else since 1969.

If you Europeans really believe there is a direct correlation between the incidents that occured at VT, and the gun laws, you need to climb off your soap boxes now. If you can find the ground from being so high up.

Direct relation? Get real. This dude was deranged and was a stalker. He was FUCKED UP. If it wasn't guns he had, it would've been knives, or bombs, or something. Not having guns would not have stopped this incident, nor would it have stopped Columbine (which it didn't, they had bombs). Some people have a blood lust, some people are fucked in the head, and nothing will stop them.

And for deme, it was on a college campus...you can't have a weapon. I'm sure some did, yeah, but what the hell? You're really blaming the ones who died for them being killed. "they had the right to bear arms - lots of good it did them"

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Plenty of innocent people get killed by whom with what guns?

Common view is unknown. What is known is that the 2nd Amendment isn't there to give Americans the freedom to hunt squirrels and stop cat burglars from taking our televisions.

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Where are these mythical "lax gun laws" that I keep hearing Europeans talk about? Your heads have been drowning in the propaganda toilet way too long.

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So that only the bad guys will have guns?
Give me a couple hundred dollars and 2 days and i will have an illegal gun.

Putting restrictions on guns is NOT the solution here. Its simply to easy, and remain to easy to illegally get guns. Restictions will not help this. A blackmarket of guns will not be affected.

They should be doing quite the opposite IMO.
Why are professors not allowed to optain concealed weapons licences and be able to carry them into class? If a teacher is going to go apeshit one day and shoot up the class, it doesnt matter weither or not they were allowed to have the gun, they will bring it anyway.

Now picture this. Student barges into the classroom and starts shooting, within seconds the teacher of the class (if not already dead) is returning fire. Teachers from down the hall are on their way to the classroom, weapons in hand. What is the downside to professors (whom have obtained a CWL properly) having guns?

Gun restictions do 1 thing, and 1 thing only: Prevent those who SHOULD have guns from being able to have them. The "bad guy" will always be able to get what he needs; Easily and illegally.

Furthermore, if i wanted to kill a bunch of people, i dont need a gun to do it. Crazy people will do crazy things, and people will die because of it. I assume there were no mass killings pre-invention of guns, am i right?


Look at the history books. "Civilization" is much, much more "civil" then it use to be. Its a horrible, horrible event, but this is in no way some new age of violence never seen before.

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If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace.-

a permanent legal resident in the US aged 21 years or over is allowed to buy a handgun so long as he has no record

guess its lucky that the laws arent so lax and guns arent available to just about everyone.


always a thing of beauty to see how these issues always become an America versus Europe debate, whether it be on tv, in the papers or on poker forums.

the simple fact is that if u cannot see how almost anyone and his dog being allowed to buy a gun and numerous gun attacks on schools are connected, then u are the one who needs to sit down, take a deep breath and think things through a little.

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u gotta love americans

disclaimer: im not from UK and i dont care how big it is ; disclaimer2: obv im just referring to the stupid americans who have no idea that the planet extends beyond America so u other two can relax

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