Completely different. This is a warzone. While the whole war is a fucking sad state of affairs, it's still a warzone over there.

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i shoulda read this before i went to Tesco's earlier and had to choose between Lemsip and Paracetamol headache tablets while i was at the checkout

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its enough for now to discuss their lax gun laws without starting onto their foreign policy

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This is such a culture issue and is purely a result of the way we were bought up. Americans will never be able to accept the banning of guns due to their perception of the world.

To all the British and Irish people who expect Americans to ban guns I ask you. If 32 students died at Oxford University as a result of a mass binge drink and a bunch of Saudis started telling you alcohol is to blame and should be made illegal what would your response be?

Go down the pub and discuss the issue

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100% agreed but the way in which the gun culture has been defended here has surprised me a little tbh even tho the attitude has, perhaps, eased a little since the beginning of this thread with a few actually agreeing that there are lax gun laws.

im not sure if anyone expects them to ban guns but rather to rethink the current stance.......i dont have the solution but, for example, a good start would be some sort of method whereby a known mentally unstable person cant just say he has no mental problems and be believed.

most of the Europeans have said from the start that the US has lax gun laws which has been shot(oops) down by almost every american......the fact that EVERY single state may not have the exact same lax gun laws is not the point....the fact that this tragedy and others before it occured where there are obviously lax gun laws IS the point.

as a side note, personally, i also find it quite funny that the biggest defenders of the current laws quote the second amendment which was written almost 150 years ago in times if civil war.

i can see where ur trying to go but this is quite a rediculous example to be perfectly honest.....do u see why?

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actually its over 225 years old and its been working quite well since, just like the rest of our constitution (except for that sorry ass 16th).

our current government has been shitting on the constitution with the patriot act and military commissions act.

i know our foreign policy sucks balls. its about big money and big oil. power and control of the masses.
i would much rather take my chances with a gun than be baby sat by big brother and the over 4 million cctv over england. they only work when the government needs to fine you but they seem to go out when they need to shoot some poor sap on the subway or when 4 "terrorist" blow up buses and subways at the exact location where they are doing terrorist drills at the exact same time. ( i know, if you wanna talk 9-11, its the same shit going on here)

i would much rather take my chances with a gun instead of letting the government walk through my door for a quick look see, because they can, australia.



here's one not so ridiculous, what if he/she were drunk driving and caused an accident with deaths at 32?

do we get rid of the alcohol or the cars because it certainly isn't the drunks fault. hes just sick. nobody should of sold him a car much less alcohol.

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I know some of you didnt read my last post in this thread because you are recycling the same things I said.

Anyway I think Wota hit the nail on the head saying that we are all relatively sold to our cultural upbringing. Just as some of you Brits think it appalling that so many of us Americans are up in arms about your questioning our gun laws, we Americans are appalled about your lack of understanding of our point of view. I cannot see this argument progressing any further than it already has. We are not going to convince you that our country is perfect as you are not going to convince us that it is going to hell in a handbasket.

You throw around alot of concepts like how young the US is and how we are not formed yet as a nation blah blah blah. Seems to me that not more than 100 years ago Britain (an old nation in its own right) was a VERY imperialistic nation bent on expansion no matter the cost. I am not trying to point fingers or anger anyone, I am mainly saying that you guys are not that different than us at the core (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing I am not sure...).

To be honest I think our biggest mistake here in the States as far as this current issue is concerned is our failure to help this seriously disturbed kid out, NOT any gun laws. The fact that this guy fell right through the cracks despite being flagged as a mentally ill and possibly dangerous person is the real crime. How can it be so glaringly obvious that someone is so sick and for nothing to actually be done about it?

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