Any player that has played a lot of online poker realizes pretty quick that he or she is at the mercy of the random number generator. Regardless of how you look at it, the cards that come out on your computer screen are generated by a software program. Without getting into a large debate on whether or not the software generates random cards or fair to all players, well just state that there are hundreds of billions of dollars at stake & as we've seen with recent actions from Department of Justice, Online poker sites have undoubtebly manipulated U.S. Laws to their advantage. It's pretty obvious that they thought their interest was above the law, so I'm assuming that it wouldn't be above them to use software programming to create parody amongst the players so that the majority of money being deposited will eventually be raked by the site instead of a smaller percentage of elite players taking a large part of the money. Now on to the reason why I started this thread.

As an online player, you have undoubtebly ask yourself if the RNG at these sites are fair, but have you ever ask yourself the same question at a Live poker game. I know most of you reading this thread are wondering where this is going.

If you've ever played live you've probably heard stories of cheating, marked cards, luminescent inks, contact lenses etc.

Well what about infared thinfilms & Radio Frequency Technology? There are literally hundreds of ways to cheat poker, most detectable, I recently had the opportunity of playing with a group of people in a $10 $25 $50 game in New Orleans who were using cards with manufactured infared wavelength thinfilms that could be viewed by only the cheaters. They were caught when a player stole cards from the game & had them put under infared.

Over the last few years we've seen major advances in technology, in particular in the field of nanotechnology. Nanotech brings a whole new perspective on how poker can be cheated. What if I told you that playing cards were being manufactured that could change from one card to another like a chameleon card. Before you deem this impossible you can spend about 10 minutes online googling nano optics, color tunable thinfilms etc before you realize the technology is there. There are actually several ways this can be done. What's even more bizarre is some of the most powerful companies in the gambling industry today have patents on playing cards that can do this.

Bally Technology - Articles & Methods to facilitate the delivery of Playing Cards. Patent # 11480345

I'll just post a piece from the patent here:

"In still other embodiments, the playing card media may take the form of existing playing cards, from which the playing card value markings will be erased, prior to being reformed or otherwise generated. In some embodiments, the playing card media may take the form of a fiber based media, for example card stock, vellum, or polymer based media. In some embodiments, the playing card media takes the form of an active media, for example a form of electronic or "e-paper", smart paper, and/or ink code, which allows the formation and erasure of markings via electrical, magnetic, or electromagnetic radiation.

Smart paper is a product developed by Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, of Palo Alto, Calif. The smart paper consists of a flexible polymer containing millions of small balls and electronic circuitry. Each ball has a portion of a first color and a portion of a second color, each portion having an opposite charge from the other portion. Applying a charge causes the balls to rotate within the polymer structure, to display either the first or the second color. Charges can be selectively applied to form different ones or groups of the balls to from the respective markings 154-160 on the playing cards 108. The markings 154-160 remain visible until another charge is applied. Alternatively, the playing card handling system 120c can be adapted to employ color-changing inks such as thermochromatic inks (e.g., liquid crystal, leucodyes) which change color in response to temperature fluctuations, and photochromatic inks that respond to variations in UV light"

A patent that uses a random number generator to deliver physical playing cards, HMMMM

What about this one from Cantor Gaming, A subsidiary of Cantor Fitzgeral:

Mobile Playing Card Devices: 12479968

This one also uses a random number generator to randomize the deck of physical playing cards, .02 inches thick, about the same as a normal playing card.

What about this article :

Precision Polymer Processors Gentex Corp. | Archbald, PA | Company ...Dec 14, 2010 ... a joint-venture company formed by Kem Plastic and Gentex Corp., of Carbondale, Pa. To make casino-grade...

And this patent from Gentex of Carbondale PA: Substrate mounting for Organic Dielectric Optical films. 6951681

Why would a playing card company team up with a company that makes Optical thinfilms of nanosize? Hmmm

Or what about Europes largest cardmaker Cartamundi teaming up with a company called Thin Film technologies, also a nanotech thinfilm Com. HMMM

Heres the headline: Thin Film Electr. : - Cartamundi and Thinfilm have agreed to extend Cartamundi's production and commercialization rights to Thinfilm's memory technology under the Patent and Know-How, License Agreement signed in 2007.

After spending a couple years of my life I finally got to see one of these cards in person, The card was an exact replica of a Casino KEM CARD. You couldn't tell the difference with the naked eye & the card was made of Cellulose Acetate just like casino cards. Cellulose Acetate is a crystallized polymer that can be used to create nanosized thin films & can be used to tune optical films to any color by changing the refractive index, or wavelength of light that it aborbs or reflects back to your eye.

Recent advances in metamaterials & photonic crystals have made it possible to change matter at the molecular level & color tune synthesized objects.

I bring this up only because I've seen these cards & I've been cheated by them. They can change in a nanosecond. I also have reason to believe that they are much more widespread than anyone can imagine because of the place where I discovered them.

Several years ago I turned down $20,000 from Full Tilt & Poker Starts on a WPT final table because evidence I had of online sites cheating players, Again last year at the World Series Main Event I turned down the around $40,000 from both Full Tilt & Poker Stars as I held the chip lead with 50 players left in the Main Event for the same reasons. I would have never done this had I not known for sure these companies were cheating. I now believe we are in the same danger playing live games as casinos most likely plan to implement these cards with your consent in a few years, however they are currently in play without consent or legality.

KnightofNarg, You may not be specifically being cheated in these games, however many people are cheated while others are helped. You can choose to believe it or not, but the cards that come off in a live casino poker room are not as they seem. They are not random & the cards are changed based on the players at the table. The 3 cards that come to the flop are not necessessarily the 3 cards they are supposed to be, at least the indicia appearance. Lighting & optics, photochromic type dyes can do amazing things. These cards are synthesized with bichromal molecules made into thin films & are switchable. Chiral nematic liquid crystals molecules are able to change color with laser light. A company called Datalase makes a similar technology which used a co2 infared laser & laser code with switchable dyes made with these molecules, They are transparent, in other words invisible until light or electromagnetic radiation hits it, then whichever wavelength is used makes the card appear what it is. I have no reason to lie, I have seen the cards & personally have paid for test to be run on them, they come from a casino.

You can take it for what its worth, but one guy that I talked to over the phone about these cards a couple of years ago was vice president & president of Bally tech. & shufflemaster for 4 & 5 years a piece. He was involved with this patent somewhat from Bally Tech. Articles & Methods to Facilitate the delivery of playing cards. He is now over the Gaming control board in Nevada. He basically told me that the card technology existed, however they were not commercially available. I actually had one of the cards so I knew different. Without specifically pointing to any one person, group etc. because the rabbit hole is deep. There's no way something of the magnitude I'm talking about could take place without certain important positions having knowledge of it. I have personally been connecting dots for quite some time. Once the equipment & cards are in place, it can be done remotely.

A magnet will not affect it, This takes very expensive equipment to irridate the molecules & monitor them, You can not see with a regular optical microscope 1000x. A scanning electron microscope will allow too see the molecular structure. I've seen them change in the casinos, All I can tell you is you need a card or either start writing down any card you see with the smallest mark on the back & watch them, I've seen them come around & not be the same card. It must be a very discreet mark because the equipment will pick up marked cards.

lol

only thing endangering online poker is if idiots like you stop playing

PIV, Unlike you I'm actually a real player, Ive played in casinos for 10 years, I have a real name & you can come play anytime, I've still never found anyone I would play for most of my money in a straight game. During that time I played mostly cash, but the couple of years I played tournies I finished 2008 with the most final tables in the country, And last year I didnt play until I went to the series, I ran through 4400 players in the 1st event to take 3rd, & I had the chip lead in the main event which had over 7000 players with only 50 remaining, I also finished in the top 30 in another event that had close to 2000 players. In 2004 when Full Tilt was new I also destroyed the guy that so many call the best player in the world until they started cheating me, so I'm pretty sure I have more credability than you.

Gabe does have over $775,000 in WSOP tournament winnings. I just can't understand how such an accomplished player thinks online poker, and more importantly, live poker is rigged.