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05-29-2007, 07:43 PM
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FaDi... grammar check... please!!
The advice... um... well... I think it would be nice if people took the advice more seriously. Honestly, I can't say that there has been any drastic improvement in my game since joining the forum.
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05-29-2007, 07:52 PM
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FaDi... grammar check... please!!
The advice... um... well... I think it would be nice if people took the advice more seriously. Honestly, I can't say that there has been any drastic improvement in my game since joining the forum.
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Actually, the only improvement I've seen is from a book I read, an odds calculator that I use on play money games (I learned a LOT about winning odds from that), and from my own recognition of the fact that I was playing far too loose and far too aggressive when I became the chip leader - a fact that has led to me getting out rather low in places where I should've won the whole tourney.
True, I don't post my hands in hand analysis anymore, but I do read the threads there. More in-depth answers are needed, rather than just "fold pre-flop". An explaination of why, and in what situation it would be correct to NOT fold would be something I'd like to see added to many posts.
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05-29-2007, 08:00 PM
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thats because the "books" teach you to close your eyes not open them. the best way to tout the merits of a book is to show how you can take a completely ignorant player and turn him into a winning player.
These authors brainwash you into thinking tight/aggressive play, position, pot odds, and so on are all you need to know. Which they are, if you want to play 3/6 and lower for the rest of your life. Since this is all ABC poker will allow you to beat. And yes, check-raising, semi-bluffing and so on is ABC poker.
The truth is there's no magic formula to success, it depends on a variety of things. What may be good for the goose isn't always good for the gander. One of my weaknesses may be the authors strength. If you want to really excel in poker you need to take the game apart and look at the inner workings of the game.
Maybe I'll start a new post in the strategy forum.....
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05-29-2007, 08:01 PM
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All I know that there are some people out there that have been extremely helpful. I know we can't depend on them all the time to give us advice. I know we all have gone through some tremendous poker experiences (whether it be micro or high stakes). Speak up-- it might be an inspiration.
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05-29-2007, 08:38 PM
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One suggestion I have is(if you have the time), search through some of the older posts on the forum, ones that go into much depth. There is some very good strategical insight deep within the forums. I remember we had a couple good ones on AK specifically. Others delved into continuation bets, aggression in tournaments, etc. There are also a few good threads on other games, such a 7S8 and omaha. Obviously, all of your questions won't be perfectly answered, but at least there is help.
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05-29-2007, 08:42 PM
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Mike McDermott
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Originally Posted by yegch
Honestly, I can't say that there has been any drastic improvement in my game since joining the forum.
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Hmmm. Could this be related to the fact that you don't post hand histories in the strategy section?
I guarantee that ppl like David, or Kr8tor have improved b/c they make an effort to post hands and get feedback. I know at times they will post like 10 hands in a two day span.
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05-29-2007, 08:54 PM
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Well said gder; you have to expose the flaws of your game if you have any hope of improving.
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05-30-2007, 03:50 AM
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actually, almost every time I look at one of those hand anylsis threads it's so clear cut I don't respond. And the few that are interesting never get responses.
One other thing: you guys come to a clear consensus way too quick, that thread recently about hat to do in the all-in situation at the end of SnG where you are the clear chip leader is a good example. The first 5 people say auto-push so everyone else agrees, I took a different view and noone even seemed to notice, not one comment about it.
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You know I actually agreed with you when I read the post, but just didn't reply.
And fwiw, any "advice" I give on tourneys should probably be completely ignored. 
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05-30-2007, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by gder03
Hmmm. Could this be related to the fact that you don't post hand histories in the strategy section?
I guarantee that ppl like David, or Kr8tor have improved b/c they make an effort to post hands and get feedback. I know at times they will post like 10 hands in a two day span.
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There are quite a few newbies saying they haven't improved, but I'll throw in my 2 pence (yes, british money!).
Very few of you guys are posting hands, someone even admitted to not posting them but only reading the threads. You really won't improve that much unless you put up things YOU did, things you had to think about at the time which other people will analyse for you. The threads will become more personal for you and as a result you will get more out of it.
I joined this forum as a micro-limit player on a hot streak with no sense of BR management. If I hadn't joined here, I GUARANTEE I would be broke now. I learnt a bit from reading other peoples posts but until I started posting my own hands and having people pick apart my play, I was fairly ignorant to the possibility that I was actually a pretty poor player. If it wasn't for people like TA, wota, alex, eclipse, gder etc. etc. (and a few more, apologies to anyone I miss out) I would probably be one of those guys on UB 6max tables running 60/1/1 thinking I'm going win the WSOP when I eventually "get some luck" (maybe an exaggeration but you get the point).
I can now be pretty sure that I am a winning low limit cash player (albeit with a tendancy to lose concentration and be a donk), and that is 90% down to PFO imo (I've read loads of books which are good obv, but it was never "personal"). It's true that the forum is quieter at the moment but when I post hands I'm still getting the replies I'm after, most of the time anyway.
Steve, alot of the hands are very clear-cut but I think they still need discussion as the simplest things can confuse anyone sometimes. Quite a few of the hands I post are fairly simple but alot of the time I'm looking for confirmation that what I thought at the time was right (and sometimes I'm way off). I don't play as much as I'd like to but I tend to take any big pots from PT at the end of a session that weren't 100% standard and put them up for discussion. Sometimes it is frustrating that certain hands get less feedback than others, for example the AK hand I put up the other day didn't get much response and that was a hand I was very unsure about. Alex pretty much nailed it a couple of days later though, lol.
OK I've slacked off from work for long enough now, just had to stand up for PFO. 
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05-30-2007, 04:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-O
actually, almost every time I look at one of those hand anylsis threads it's so clear cut I don't respond. And the few that are interesting never get responses.
One other thing: you guys come to a clear consensus way too quick, that thread recently about hat to do in the all-in situation at the end of SnG where you are the clear chip leader is a good example. The first 5 people say auto-push so everyone else agrees, I took a different view and noone even seemed to notice, not one comment about it.
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I haven't read your reply since it came later. However not everybody said shoving is correct. I pointed out first that completing is imo a bad play so it should be either fold or push. At least one other guy said fold before a bunch of posters said "easy push".

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