What is going on here? - Page 7

Marm · #61 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 09:24 AM

Somebody send me an email when this has been worked out....... This is really pathetic that somebody has such a power trip that they think they can rule an anonymous internet forum.....

Gryff · #62 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 09:32 AM

You don't have much forum experience then marm

KiD[ReD] · #63 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 11:10 AM

Ack, I'm back (again). Had a late phone call yesterday and had to drive out way to the ferries to pick up my parents and aunt who arrived back from Europe unexpectedly late. Just woke up.

Anyhow, again, please give me time to read all of this. When all of you continue to not play nice, it just takes the 'clean-up' all that much longer as I have so much more to read. So, please, contain yourselves until I respond. That means any neutral comments to this post as well. If you want to say something, you can PM me.

KiD[ReD] · #64 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 01:26 PM

Blah! Just got finished reading like.. what.. 200 posts on all this mess (there's a lot in the mod area). I took notes and will respond shortly.

Marm · #65 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Marm

I am very much saddened by this.....

Well I see we have another one trying to do spin control.

I do not appreciate being threatened physically, especially by another mod when I am just correcting his screw ups.

So It's this. I'm gone (probably) if this is not taken care of correctly.

Antneye · #66 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marm

Well I see we have another one trying to do spin control.

I do not appreciate being threatened physically, especially by another mod when I am just correcting his screw ups.

So It's this. I'm gone (probably) if this is not taken care of correctly.

And I will follow him right out the door.

Marm · #67 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 01:51 PM

And this is the quoted text that was edited by one of the tyrants (sorry alex, but you have picked a side, and sides we have).

I do not appreciate being physically threatened, even over the ludicrously anonymous internet forum.

And again, please don't edit it, this type of behavior belongs in the public forum. I respect the right to privacy in the mod forum, but there are some things that cross the line.

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Again your mind reading is awful. the reason i am the way I am is because I am a man, something you obviously know little about. If you put private conversations in a public area I will smash your face in, that is what I think about that. There are certain things that will piss me off and that is one of them along with trying to ruin my reputation.

If I ever do see you, Beavis, or Irexes, or anyone else who posts my private conversations I will SMASH YOUR HEAD IN.

Beavis68 · #68 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 02:02 PM

Steve should be banned for making threats, whether in the mod forum or the public forum.

This place only exists because it is a strong community.

Two mods here think they can hand out punishments and not be questioned. That is not a community
I love this site (I was even the one that invited Steve-O here), but it offers nothing in and of itself.

There are no famous players posting here, no great theoreticians.

The only thing that makes this forum what it is is the community.

Tyler can run the place how he wents, but if he lets mods threaten and ban with no justification the communitty will leave PFO like many of us did Pokerpages - look what has become of that forum.

I hope you do the right thing kid. I have avoided making any statements about leaving, but if Steve is allowed to keep this up and Marm and Irexes don't come back there won't be much reason to stay.

the alex · #69 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 02:10 PM

I stated my case publicly and privately. What I say in private deserves to stay private. I have that respect for others and I expect the same. I said what I had to say about this in more depth in private and it'll stay that way.

What I also said in private is that this is over and out of anyone's hands but the Admin as of yesterday.

KiD[ReD] · #70 (**permalink**) 07-24-2006, 02:10 PM

Here Ye! Here Ye!

Okay, here we go:

All of this started in this thread between Gryff and Steve-O. It was a minor conflict between the two which was really just a misunderstanding.

The thread went on, quickly getting off topic when Irexes said "Feel free to delete my post if it's not what you were looking for." to which Steve-O replied with "No need to be a dick mate."

This is when things started to snowball. Right here I'll say that both Irexes and Steve-O are at fault here; keep your negative remarks to yourself, or else PM the other person. Do not make it public, nobody cares or wants to read it. Very minor still, but should be noted that bickering like that is really uncalled for and immature... again, just PM if you have any conflicts and stay on topic in the thread.

Irexes then made a comment stating how he thought Steve-O was "a shit moderator" to which Steve-O responded with a 1 day ban. Now, many people are against this action, but I support it. Launching an attack on the staff and authority of the site is uncalled for and was really a direct challenge. Irexes wasn't banned for life. He wasn't banned for a year. He wasn't banned for a month, or even a week, but one day. One day as a little slap on the wrist to rethink what he did.

Marm and others talk about how it's unfair that he was banned because he is such a respected member of the forum and deserved leniency - well, he did receive leniency, if a new member had said that, he'd probably be banned for a week or perhaps even a month. 24 hours is just a little time-out.

Beavis then launched a "steve-o should not be a mod" thread and was consequently given a 7-day ban by Steve-O. I also support this. Again, this was as lenient punishment; I'm actually surprised he wasn't given a 1-month ban. The thread should have been deleted as well.

I forgot who said this but I believe it was Marm "Questioning, or disagreeing mods are not grounds for a banning". This is where things get tricky in resolving things here.

Is this a democracy? No. It's more like Polical Absolutism and a Democracy combined. Absolutism is a political theory which argues that one person, who is often generally a monarch, should hold all power.

I own this site and generally run it. I am the administrator. The members of the forum are kept in line by moderators, who are (somewhat) elected (sometimes appointed) by the people. Administrator -> Moderators -> People. Our "constitution" are our forum rules.

To get back to "Questioning, or disagreeing mods are not grounds for a banning", let me refer you to the forum rules:

Insults and personal attacks

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While we are more lenient towards vulgarities, friendly bickering, and so forth than most forums, we do not tolerate blatant insults or personal attacks against others. Naturally, there will be disputes and debates in regards to strategy and such, but these discussions can still be dealt in a respectable manner. Repeat offenders will be warned and possibly suspended from the site.

We do not have a specific rule there that states not to directly challenge, insult or question a moderator, but we will. I will be opening a bill (hehe) in the moderator area which will modify the forum rules for this. I understand that this may sound strange or unfair, but again, we are not a democracy. This is a website for crying out loud. Allowing somebody to directly challenge a person's authority here is undermining the integrity of the site.

Therefore, if you have a problem with a moderator, PM me privately. I have the power to revoke their moderator status. Nobody else does, so why even bother making a mess about it? All it does is make the site dirty with unappealing threads and conflict.

I will be making a thread in the moderator forum to address other internal matters there.

I'll finish by saying: This is a forum guys! A poker forum! Talk about poker! Talk about hot chicks (like Annie Duke)! Try to relax a little and just have fun. I'm a very relaxed, laid back, easy-going, care-free, happy-go-lucky kind of person... leaves me with little stress, you guys should try it too :-)

Play nicely