Okay now this is making sense, BIG thanks guys. Now for the magic question when it comes to NL, is there an easier formula to actually convert the money bets into percentages (besides dividing 200 by 1700 or 1 by 8.5 using Jokers example). I'm familiar with the outs x 2 formula that someone had a thread here on all I need to do is figure out a way to make the pot odds as easy to calculate. Again any help is much appreciated if I have to rely on long division to compare pot odd percentages to "outs" percentages I'm gonna need a calculator at the table wheneverI play.....would that be a tell?