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Old 03-26-2008, 10:14 PM
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Default A Theory Idea to combat lite 4 betting.

Hey guys, so I've been tinkering with this idea as of late. Tell me what you guys think.

The basic premise of the idea is to 5bet shove these 3 sc's: 56s, 67s, 78s over someone whom we have pegged as a lite 4-bettor.

Now heres some mathematical analysis:

Why these 3 hands u should ask? Well, its very plain and simple. These 3 hands fair the best vs. AA/KK mathematically when played for stacks all in pf.

Hand 0: 77.589% 77.40% 00.19% 190854636 458316.00 { KK+ }
Hand 1: 22.411% 22.22% 00.19% 54800508 458316.00 { 87s, 76s, 65s }

Why 3 sc's? Why not 2, or 1?

The answer to this is to balance our range of ultra lite 5bet shoving vs 5bet shoving with nut hands. There are 6 combos of AA, and 6 for KK, for a total of 12 combos of essentially the nuts in a LP vs Blind, LP vs LP, or blind vs blind battle which you would be 5 bet shoving also. Since each sc has 4 combos, raising 3 of them (for a total of 12 combos) would have you 5bet bluff shoving with a very balanced range since half the time you would have a sc and the other half the time a big PP. This is of course assuming you 3bet these sc's in the first place, which for most players is the norm nowadays.


A mathematical scenario:

Now assuming our opponents calling range of our 5bet bluff shove is QQ+, AKo, AKs. Here is how our 5 bet shove bluff range fairs against it:

Hand 0: 68.999% 68.80% 00.20% 480617304 1425032.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 31.001% 30.80% 00.20% 215152664 1425032.00 { 87s, 76s, 65s }

Now lets say we have our opponent pegged as a light 4 bettor, and is 4 betting all his AX, as well as JJ+ type hands with the intention of folding to a shove with anything JJ or under or AQ and under. Assuming he is a taggish-aggro type player who raises A8o+, from the co/button this would mean he would be 4betting us with a range of 10.9% of hands. Assuming he calls our shove with only QQ+, AKo/AKs (a range of 2.6%) and folds everything else, this would mean he would be folding roughly about 3 out of every 4 times he 4bets us.

Now lets measure this in a table situation:

Assuming a 5/10 nl game with standard 100 bb stacks. We are in the BB with 67s, our opponent raises the button to 35$, we repop to 125$ and he 4bets us to $325. Assuming we have him pegged as a lite 4bettor and is 4betting the range we specified above. He would be folding to our shove 3/4 of the time which results in us getting +455$ each time he folds. Now the 1 time he calls us, we will still have 31% equity vs his calling range, so will only lose $690 over the long run when we get our 100bb stacks in (assuming he doesnt adjust his calling range to us - once he sees us doing this he may adjust and start calling our shoves with AQ/JJ, etc - but this will also benefit us in the fact that our big pocket pairs will now get paid off more often). So this results in a total equity of roughly +$168.75 (factor in the fact that half the time we will be in the sb instead and it will come out to approx. 17bbs) every time we do this.



Thoughts?

Last edited by Eclipse86; 03-26-2008 at 10:21 PM.
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